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benherron
07-11-2010, 07:51 PM
This is my first real post following on from my introduction. http://www.ceforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1116

I'm a vehicle designer at Coventry University, now in my 4th and final year. For my major project this year I've decided to research into the future of the construction industry and eventually design a future vehicle based on this research.

So far there haven't been many future concepts; the few from the likes of Volvo focus heavily on the future technology that could be applied to larger construction vehicles.

http://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/scripts/asp_resize_edit.asp?id=3756&width=400
http://www.volvo.com/NR/rdonlyres/ABB3477D-08B3-454A-8E2A-FFF942EA0137/0/gryphin_15.jpg
http://www.yankodesign.com/images/design_news/2008/02/04/supertippertruck.jpg
http://www.miniature-construction-world.co.uk/editorials/bauma2010/IMG_6350.jpg

The issue is that these vehicles do not take into account the future changes in the building industry and the possibility that the size of the machines and jobs undertaken will change accordingly.

I was wondering what you're views and opinions of what a future construction vehicle will be like...

Taking into account future sustainable building as well as future issues such as...
- Ageing population, the largest age range currently is 40-50, in 15-20 years these experienced workers will retire.
- A reduction of young workers available as fewer young people enter the industry (other than middle management) this future generation happier to sit at a desk, behind a computer than physically work on site.
- Building sites getting smaller as there is less space for new builds and demolition/rehabilitation of old buildings.
- Environmental regulations not just on exhaust emissions but also on noise, vibration and use of hydraulic oil.

Cheers Ben


p.s. Personally I can see vehicles being...
Smaller and more powerful, 100% electric powered with linear/magnetic actuators instead of hydraulics, a mix between a telehandler, skid steer and mini-excavator. With the ability to use attachments as a skid steer does, and able to be used as a mini-crane to install pre-fabricated parts/large glass panes.
With the increase in positioning systems and 3D software remote and automated machines will be used on larger sites. A site office will have several control stations (pretty much a cabin chair/controls with 3D screens) removing operators and surveyors from being onsite.

diggerman
07-11-2010, 08:32 PM
hopefully they will be more reliable with les stupid little problems
nick............
and people will listen to you when you complain

leaky seal
19-12-2010, 10:49 PM
Long long ago in a galaxy far far away there was a man who was fed up with the reliabilety of his new clear powered back hoe, lets call him daz for the want of a name. Looking round for some thing more reliable he found a power base unit that had not broken down in the last hundred years or so. Thinking to himself if i fit the backhoe on this i will have a machine to stand the test of time.
On the first day on site he was digging away,going like a train no problems at all. Then one of the chippies came over had a power cut is it alright to hook up to the generator on the front of your engine to work our saws yes he shouts ,Shoveling on more coal . lunch time saw a que forming when word got round daz was handing out hot jacket potatoes out of his smoke box and bacon and eggs could be smelled cooking on his shovel. After dinner the trench that had been dug had filled with water ,What are we going to do says the site foreman ,No problem says daz as he gets his hose down off the back corner ,And with a whoosh of steam the water was sucked up.With the site being a little wet the cement lorry was stuck fast.Daz quick as a flash let out his wire rope kept on a winch drum inside his rear wheel pulling him free in a instant. Quite a good first day daz thought to himself as he went along home with all bright multi coloured lights round the top of his cab lighting the surrounding area. Just to think of a name for his new creation, I know he thought i will call here EXMARE 3C a machine light years ahead of its time.

This story is total fiction , The names have been changed to protect the inocent.

Exmayor
20-12-2010, 09:26 AM
Very funny guy's, leaky you must have had Mog sat with you? or was it your own work. When you sell the film right's for millions and millions just remember where the inspiration came from ;) Daz

mogman
20-12-2010, 06:05 PM
Very funny guy's, leaky you must have had Mog sat with you? or was it your own work. When you sell the film right's for millions and millions just remember where the inspiration came from ;) Daz

All his own work daz

he told me today he typed it in bed hense me not being there:eek:

d4c24a
20-12-2010, 07:03 PM
:) Cracking made me chuckle

AtlasRob
20-12-2010, 09:02 PM
p.s. Personally I can see vehicles being...
Smaller and more powerful, 100% electric powered with linear/magnetic actuators instead of hydraulics, a mix between a telehandler, skid steer and mini-excavator. With the ability to use attachments as a skid steer does, and able to be used as a mini-crane to install pre-fabricated parts/large glass panes.
With the increase in positioning systems and 3D software remote and automated machines will be used on larger sites. A site office will have several control stations (pretty much a cabin chair/controls with 3D screens) removing operators and surveyors from being onsite.

Seems you have it about sorted :D

WTF is a linear/magnetic actuator ? :confused:

Dont worry,! will they be more reliable than the electronicly controlled problems we have now?

I can see machines being remotely controlled and ready programmed with what where and how to dig. Thats if were allowed to dig :rolleyes: you'll only be allowed to dig it if you can use the arisings within the site boundry.
Services will be in the same excavation in straight lines prefabbed off site so more specialised attachments needed on the machines.
The supply chain will still hold you by the balls and the client will preach the words sustainability, enviromentally concious etc etc but still want blood for a pitance as they dont see why it should come out of their pocket.

So basically it will be the same old shite by a different name with somebody else wanting a slice of the cake. The only thing that will vary will be just like today..............................the depth!!!


ME, bitter and twisted !................................never. :eek:

leaky seal
21-12-2010, 08:04 PM
Ben first good luck in the comming year, Sorry for taking your thread off on a tangent the other day, Just couldnt resist the title. Being a child of the sixtys the future promised so much. Man was walking on the moon, Planes to the USA were going twice the speed of sound, Air force planes were taking off vertically, Any where in the world without the need for runways the possibilitys were endless, Living on the moon and on the sea bed seemed only a few years away,Trains on monorails on your magnet thingies. The Tracy family from Tracy island were coming up with all sorts of weard and wonderfull machines to aid in their family rescue buisiness {please dont tell me it wasnt real }But here we are 50 years down the line, we canot get to the moon, Planes canot get off the ground, even with runways, Air ports closed 3 days now.If the air force needs a plane we have to borrow one of a neigbour Trains canot move and if one does get out the station it breaks down and you will need to walk along the line. Dont want to put a downer on things for you but unless things change for the better soon somebody will soon be able to reinvent the wheel. Any hoo back to the future, Magnets seem a bit all or nothing , no hydrolics well cables have been tried and as for splitting the atom, thats back to the steam age so mabye the exmere 3c wasnt so far off the mark.

mogman
21-12-2010, 08:50 PM
jesus leaky what's all this talk about them thier Tracy brothers not being real we both know we base a lot of our tackle on their blueprints even got a new launch pad for tongies van:p

strott
21-12-2010, 09:06 PM
Q: What will a future construction vehicle be like?

A: More expensive!! ;)



In all seriousness though I see better security being standard on all machines and maybe some sort of built in cable/object warning system to try and prevent damage to underground services or overhead apperatus e.t.c

IH1255
22-12-2010, 11:14 PM
Can you lot imagine stoick wearing spandex, bad enough with present cloths on but in spandex he would be a ringer for the michlen man

mogman
22-12-2010, 11:23 PM
Can you lot imagine stoick wearing spandex, bad enough with present cloths on but in spandex he would be a ringer for the michlen man

would their be enough spandex in the WORLD??????????:eek:

Paul.

Stock..
29-12-2010, 10:07 PM
Hopefully not UGGGGGGG! spandex........

Anyway was watching the Blue people film tudder night and spotted the dozers
Dozer's (http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/RDA_Bulldozer) and recalled a job in one of the nordic countries where a remote control excavator and Volvo dumper were used.Something to do with a gunnery range,But the question is how long before GPS and computers take over more,and diggers become more robot like............. like a robot digger.

AtlasRob
30-12-2010, 08:08 PM
............recalled a job in one of the nordic countries where a remote control excavator and Volvo dumper were used....................
........But the question is how long before GPS and computers take over more,and diggers become more robot like............. like a robot digger.

That is the way things are going. Once we sort out a quick, simple method to do the topographical surveys the rest will fall quickly inline behind it I honestly believe.
Its getting the ground as it is, onto a computer that I believe is the hold up at the moment.

JD450A
13-01-2011, 06:26 PM
I always laugh at that volvo concept digger. 4 tracks are worse than two. And think about the poor thing working in a quarry or a demo site. Rubber tracks are enough of a pain as it is.

In my opinion the machine design won't change hugely. looking in paticular at 360's I think 2 tracks will stay (best Ground Psi) and the most able for site work. I suppose zero tail will become much more common and we'll see stick combinations for smaller machines that are interchangable. Personally I think the Mechalac is a good indicator of the sorta 360' of the future.

As for the computers. Well I think we'll see guidence becomeing much more common, and GPS and Boom lockers to stop people digging across cable lines etc.

But Overall the'll always be operators, as a computer can only be planned for likely circumstances.

Goodluck with you course mate, and don't take any advice from volvos concepts... IMHO there utterly utterly pointless.

Edit -----
"A reduction of young workers available as fewer young people enter the industry (other than middle management) this future generation happier to sit at a desk, behind a computer than physically work on site. "

I actually disagree with this statement, and it depends where you grow up and how your taught. Anyone who goes through the UK education system is constantly pestered to do higher level subjects, bla. Simple fact is that In a few years when the bulk of the operators retire a whole new breed of drivers will enter the Industry because the money will be good. Add the fact that the majority of machine work is like sitting at a desk now. this will just add to the number of attachments and automations to replace the labourer with a Machine operator.

Stock..
10-06-2011, 09:39 PM
Thanks Ben for destroying my future......bad enough roaring a a machine with a dumb operator in it but having to travel halfway across a site to give out to a useless computer geek ........that will be down right unfair............

ianoz.
10-06-2011, 11:52 PM
Good on you to come back ben and show us the end result .

JD450A
11-06-2011, 12:11 AM
To be perfectly honest ben I think you've done a smashing job... I do of course hate the fact it's electric, and that theres no cab instead the drivers half way across site sat in a transit van smoking cigars and drinking fine wine, whilst looking at a moniter that removes depth perception...

But I'm pretty sure if a engineer took the initial design. stuck a cab on it, stuck a engine in it and went from there you'd have a new generation, even breed of, machine. Realistically it's a machine that could do almost anyjob and in reality a more down to earth version i'm sure would be practical. As for remote control, In the context of stood beside the machine with a handset. I think it's a great idea that should be more common.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work. And I really hope a manufacturer takes you on... try jcb. there fresh Ideas don't seem to work so you could perhaps save... I mean salvage there reputation.

AtlasRob
11-06-2011, 11:58 AM
Right, finally finished my degree and I thought I would give you a taster of what I ended up doing.


First I must say, very well done and congratulations. :cool:

Thank you for coming back to show us your project I must say IMHO it quite incredible, I am very impressed.
I dont know how you would go about protecting your ideas but some definetly need protection in my opinion else they will get stolen used and patented by others and you will get **ck all other than the annoying knowledge that you had the idea first.

Yes I have been there, missed the T shirt, the credit the chuffing lot but thats life. And for the record the only degree I ever got was a 3degrees album so dont even go there :eek:

May I suggest you call these guys and have a chat.
http://www.innovate-design.co.uk/ it will cost you nothing to chat.

I know this is going to sound strange but I would seriously consider taking the u tub video off line until you have spoken to these guys or at least had a chat with somebody similar. Dont get me wrong I think it is fantastic, I dont want you getting robbed. :mad:

mogman
11-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Right, finally finished my degree and I thought I would give you a taster of what I ended up doing. Just like to say thanks for all the comments by everyone on here, you were a big help into the 'mindset' (and in some cases grumpiness) of the operators. I'm sure you have some questions and opinions, please feel free to ask and i will when i can reply.
Cheers Ben

Brilliant Ben like the use of electricity for power very cheap and green but I would feel better controlling the machine stood / sat by the side of it.

To split hairs so to speak how does it keep balance (no visible counter weight) how do you get the bucket / forks to rotate with the required power just a few things to mull over

but great work Ben

Paul.

Local Diggers
11-06-2011, 11:11 PM
Good of you to come back ben and show us the end result .

totally agree. i think i called you out on this when you first turned up here but credit to you, you came back and more than filled us in, and how interesting to see what you developed. well done that man. what was bobcats feedback?

benherron
12-06-2011, 12:50 PM
Cheers for all the feedback, I've not sent it off to Bobcat as of yet, it's on my large to-do list, but feedback from the design industry big-cats who came to the degree show (which included JCB) was very positive, as was the general public's (especially the kids, i recon it could make a fortune as a toy).

What I was most pleased with was that everyone had their own opinion on what it could do if not on a traditional building site
...few examples were...
bio-hazard work (think Fukushima nuclear site), any type of mining/underground work, army (bomb-search and disposal), earthquake clean up, highway grass cutting/landscaping, forestry, distribution warehouse, loads of agricultural application comments .....everyone had a different take, which was cool and what i wanted.

In terms of copyright/patenting, i've somewhat left it to uni, they've got the money/experience to do that sort of thing...also the animation and everything will be on a few design websites soon anyway so ive no problem putting it on youtube but technically you saw it here first!

In terms of jobs, well nothing as of yet....but you never know, watch this space.
Again a big thanks to everyone.
Ben

ianoz.
12-06-2011, 01:21 PM
Hi Ben , Just one thing , Companys like Cat And Bobcat ,are very protective of their trademark . Be carefull is all i can say .

AtlasRob
12-06-2011, 08:00 PM
how does it keep balance (no visible counter weight) how do you get the bucket / forks to rotate with the required power just a few things to mull over
.

You didnt read the operators instruction manual did you ? :o

It quite clearly states...........................design concept!

dont get picky :D

I naturally took it that with the super light weight poly techno thingy stuff that the boom is made of combined with the super strength heavy plate chassis it didnt need a counterweight.

Either that or its held down with magnetic force :eek:

Outstanding work Ben and thanks again for comming back to show us. :cool:

DaveNE
12-06-2011, 08:20 PM
Yes, Vickers will re-introduce the Vigor/VR180 and call them "The Mole" and "The Firefly". Jeff Tracey and Brains know the way ahead!!! ;)

http://www.fab1.co.nz/machines/pod%20vehicles.htm

Stock..
12-06-2011, 08:24 PM
You didnt read the operators instruction manual did you ? :o

It quite clearly states......................

LEVITATIONAL FORCES

Outstanding work Ben and thanks again for comming back to show us. :cool:


Ben I neglected to give you credit for the excellent work you you did.Be very proud of it.

mogman
12-06-2011, 09:03 PM
[QUOTE=AtlasRob;37120]You didnt read the operators instruction manual did you ? QUOTE]

Never do Rob :D:D

but as I said great project

I was just wondering how me and Leaky would be able to build it :confused:

Paul.

JD450A
12-06-2011, 10:13 PM
[QUOTE=AtlasRob;37120]
I was just wondering how me and Leaky would be able to build it :confused:


Few Electric warehouse forklifts, A dead jcb telehandler, and atlas's old duck... Sorted

benherron
01-07-2011, 11:33 PM
Just to finish this thread off.....

These last 3 days have been a bit eventful to say the least.

Wednesday I received confirmation that i now have a Master of Design with Honours First Class! Was over the bloody moon with that!
Then today has somehow bettered Wednesday and I have been offered a Junior Industrial Designer position at J.C.Bamford Excavators Ltd, to start week after next!!!

So somehow I've gone from a freeloading, lazy, carefree student to fully qualified, employed, tax paying adult in the space of 3 days :D
A little scary and a lot of excitement, kind of just relieved that all the 'hard' work has been definitely all been worth it!

Cheers for everyone's replies.
Ben

Local Diggers
02-07-2011, 12:27 AM
you better stick around then ben. be really interesting to follow your career from here every now and then.

Stock..
02-07-2011, 01:19 AM
Well done Ben. congratulations; do hang around and you may be able to relate some of the disquiet to JCB with some of their poor design decisions and quality issues.

ianoz.
02-07-2011, 02:08 AM
Congratulations Ben on your becoming fully quaifyed and the job at JCB .I guess you won't be at the forefront of the design team , But hopefully your input will be of benifit to us users In the future :).

JD450A
02-07-2011, 02:13 AM
Legend...

rang up Jcb a week ago about a Field Test Operators job. Remember me when your head design engineer.

Tell the twit that puts the 8018's switches for 2 speed tracking and expanda tracks on the lock armrest that it's a stupid place where they turn themselves on using my hard hat.

Well done. hope your proud.

Rory.

Pecall
02-07-2011, 09:06 AM
WELL DONE THAT MAN:cool::cool:

Congratulations Ben, all the best for the future.

mogman
02-07-2011, 06:33 PM
Just to finish this thread off.....

These last 3 days have been a bit eventful to say the least.

Wednesday I received confirmation that i now have a Master of Design with Honors First Class! Was over the bloody moon with that!
Then today has somehow bettered Wednesday and I have been offered a Junior Industrial Designer position at J.C.Bamford Excavators Ltd, to start week after next!!!

So somehow I've gone from a freeloading, lazy, carefree student to fully qualified, employed, tax paying adult in the space of 3 days :D
A little scary and a lot of excitement, kind of just relieved that all the 'hard' work has been definitely all been worth it!

Cheers for everyone's replies.
Ben

First of all a deserved well done for your Masters and as for landing a job with JCB brilliant it's just what they need someone 'with a bit of get up and go'
Last year a few forum members went on a JCB visit and I was a bit 'miffed' to see a few people 'playing card games' on their computers:mad: instead of working No wonder they seem to be heading down the pan but hopefully you can turn the situation around:D


Paul.

AtlasRob
02-07-2011, 10:20 PM
......... i now have a Master of Design with Honours First Class! Was over the bloody moon with that!

Then today has somehow bettered Wednesday and I have been offered a Junior Industrial Designer position at J.C.Bamford Excavators Ltd,


Very well done and congratulations Ben. Very richly deserved IMHO. :cool:

I hope your career turns out the way you hope. You sure as hell have some imagination and thats what the industry needs, new young blood. ;)

Please drop in and keep us updated when you can.