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Old 21-08-2017, 10:01 AM
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Default Citb ..... Omg .... !! part III - the end is nigh!!

" Balfour Beatty is prepared to bring the whole CITB structure down in a bid to rebuild a new industry training structure that might actually work"


http://www.theconstructionindex.co.u...n-failing-citb

"The boss of Britain’s biggest building firm says that the CITB has shown itself incapable of delivering the workforce that the industry needs – the organisation’s sole reason for being – and has given too little information of how it will rectify this.

“The stakes are too high for us to sleepwalk over the skills cliff,” Balfour Beatty chief executive Leo Quinn says.

“Currently, the CITB occupies a pivotal role in providing all of us in the sector with the skilled workers we need. Bluntly, the present skills shortage shows it hasn’t been doing this for some time.”

The Construction Industry Training Board (CITB) is undergoing its triennial Consensus process. That’s a vote by all the businesses that pay its costs, to get agreement for another three years of levy payments.

It appears that Balfour Beatty is prepared to bring the whole CITB structure down in a bid to rebuild a new industry trainign structure that might actually work.

In an article on the Balfour Beatty website Mr Quinn says: “Given that CITB raises £200m a year via the levy, the lack of detail in the information it has provided to date is truly concerning. And were the industry to vote ‘no’ at Consensus and cause the CITB to be wound up, any and all liabilities run up (e.g. pension buy-out) would fall to the industry to settle – a severe inducement for levy-payers not to exercise that prerogative. Combining the general lack of transparency on strategy, controls and fiscal approach, this is a level of accountability which would be deemed unacceptable in virtually any other public arena in the UK.”

He adds: “To justify its continued existence alongside the wider Apprenticeship Levy, it must deliver what its Levy-payers – let alone the UK as a whole – critically need: the newly skilled workers to upgrade our infrastructure. Based on the information released by the CITB to date, we have little basis for confidence and strongly believe this it too important to leave to chance.

“Which is why Balfour Beatty is likely to vote against Consensus. Before making a final decision, however, we ask one more time to see detailed information in relation to the reform and governance issues raised above.”

He adds: “This is not the first instance of the industry being told CITB will reform itself. This time, we cannot afford to lose another three years if it fails to deliver.”

CITB will publish the results of Consensus at the beginning of November 2017
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We can but hope they all have the balls to make a change for the better .... and shutdown the gravy train, for all those getting wealthy from the present failed 'cash cow' set up.
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Old 21-08-2017, 10:29 AM
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Default Re: Citb ..... Omg .... !! part III - the end is nigh!!

One would hope Mr Leo Quinn of Balfour Beatty googles his name occasionally and may find this before it's too late for another 3 years.

Whilst I actually think the CITB Cartel* as a whole needs to be smashed to bits and never reincarnated in any form. I would trust Balfour's as one of the few firms with the vision, voice and most importantly hearing to burn it to the ground and make something better! Balfour's are about the only large firm i'd happily go to drive/hire/work for nowadays as past experience shows they tend to employ people with brains.

We can but hope that they burn the CITB to the ground and bury it as deep as possible.

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Default Re: Citb ..... Omg .... !! part III - the end is nigh!!

Sounds like a bit of strategic blindfolding to me


" Currently, the CITB occupies a pivotal role in providing all of us in the sector with the skilled workers we need. Bluntly, the present skills shortage shows it hasn’t been doing this for some time.

Acknowledging this, the Government commissioned a review into the industrial training boards – including the CITB - by Paul Morell. The timing of the General Election delayed publication of his findings so that the Consensus process had to begin without sight of them. So while we know that ministers backed its overarching conclusion that CITB should continue, subject to a major overhaul, the industry has little idea what the specific reforms are and no assurances that CITB will implement them.

We are voting in the dark
, recommitting to a Levy – and thus to an organization, whose potential ongoing failure would have a major impact on future economic growth.
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https://www.balfourbeatty.com/news/b...&parentId=1212
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It needs a total shake up, and about time the big boys started saying it too...
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It needs a total shake up, and about time the big boys started saying it too...
Leo Quinn wants it gone ... he can see what a shambolic gravy train it has become .... it's whether anyone else will listen to him and have the balls to veto it too
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I found it interesting yesterday that whilst the Construction News etc were reporting on Balfour wanting to close the CITB down, the CITB were tweeting about how their new reforms are going to help the industry skills shortage.

I'm sure as usual the CITB will continue to exist. Promise the earth and fail to deliver. We can only hope the the CEO of Balfour actually means what he says and either reforms them for the better or closes it down for good.
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I found it interesting yesterday that whilst the Construction News etc were reporting on Balfour wanting to close the CITB down, the CITB were tweeting about how their new reforms are going to help the industry skills shortage.

I'm sure as usual the CITB will continue to exist. Promise the earth and fail to deliver. We can only hope the the CEO of Balfour actually means what he says and either reforms them for the better or closes it down for good.
if enough of the industry have the balls to veto their levies they will cease to exist ... it's down to the the hands that 'feed them' to put an end to it.
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Default Re: Citb ..... Omg .... !! part III - the end is nigh!!

as predicted .... not many have the balls to follow his lead

a limp wristed "yes, but" .....
http://www.theconstructionindex.co.u...t-to-citb-levy

and this guy's obviously in the 'old boys network' of back scratchers .....

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.u...r-citb-support

Have read interesting items about large co.s setting up their own accreditation, 'in house tickets' ..... after all it is not a legal requirement / illegal not to have tickets.

Have also seen a few items about the 'interaction' of insurers and the CITB, with regard to mutual back scratching too.

Interesting times .... but really cannot see sufficient balls being available to do the right thing and kick the b'stards into touch.
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Default Re: Citb ..... Omg .... !! part III - the end is nigh!!

still some dithering

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.u...ivided-on-citb

could be close ?
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still some dithering

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.u...ivided-on-citb

could be close ?
They will dither, they will pretend to make a fuss but naff all will happen because it all pays their wages.

People are scared of change and if they want change they want an instant change, which doesn't happen because in this country we seem to be able to drag the process of change out for years and years with lots of talk but no happening.
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